Say what you will, but back in the day one had to have their wits about them to work restaurants often for 12-16 hour days. Do not quit !!! /u/swampthrowawaypgy69 explains in tough-love terms why finishing medical school might actually be the best thing for OP's burgeoning culinary career, /u/swampthrowawaypgy69 explains in tough-love terms why finishing medical school might actually be the best thing for OP's burgeoning culinary career [xpost from r/medicalschool], /u/swampthrowawaypgy69 explains that working in a kitchen is not necessarily easier than finishing med school. Literally everyday I wake up feeling stressed out and guilty that I need to go study. I am an MD/MPH who has lost any joy I had in medicine. But I’m better. Chefs are the same. The guys needs to finish it and it's shouldn't even need to be said... Not to mention that working in a kitchen is hell on your body. I probably have a rant but I am also open to suggestions. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. And several friends who have matched have all said I should keep trying because I would be a great doctor. I want my free time back, I want to enjoy my hobbies without the guilt, I also want a normal 9-5 job in a field I enjoy (actually don’t mind doing lab work). Anthony Bourdain explains the old world of restaurant work extremely well in all it's hellish and alluring features. Yes, there are a few lawyers that have done it, but the hassle that comes with doing so isn't any easier than going to law school. I have been miserable for the past four years--cramming, exhausting myself emotionally and physically, running around the hospital after my attendings, trying desperately to reduce my patients' suffering. It just feels like autopilot at this point. The medical schools are not going to look at it negatively if you quit your job to study full-time for the MCAT. I finished 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, 1 year research fellowship, and 2 years of surgery residency. 25, 2019 , 2:30 PM. And a recruiter for the USPHS lied to me about being qualified for a job and I was rejected immediately from it. I dare say that spending money on MS4 would give you much more in terms of career prospects in hospitality than most of the culinary institutes. Hey folks, need some perspective. Medical students spend anywhere from eight to ten years in medical school.. Things eventually got better. But if you've never worked a kitchen shift in your life then stay in the goddamn med school. I was wondering what kinds of career options would I have if I quit immediately after med school versus quitting after residency? I agree. I was able to validate all my credits, take some more courses, complete a bachelor’s degree in biology, and then enter the master’s degree program in biochemistry. I know this is probably sunk cost fallacy thinking, but I did invest 10 years of my life into this useless degree so I should get something back from it. Every night I would think of quitting but in the morning I would drag myself to the lab. If you want to quit nursing school, if you hate nursing school (we all do), if you are thinking about dropping out . I’m scheduled to meet with an advisor soon so I can talk things through. Thank you all. Press J to jump to the feed. He was anxious that it would hurt his chances at a good hospital because he wasn't an EMT or lab tech for money. You Want to Be a Lawyer. If you give up and leave you're done. It’s OK to quit your Ph.D. By Katie Langin Jun. You've mentioned that you don't want to waste money on MS4. One of my dear friends went to medical school … As medical school tuition continues to climb, the debt at the end of the four years will on average be much higher than it is today. she hasn’t said anything about it really. Is there any good way to break the news? If you had a few month in med school and you decided to leave, good for you. Reddit. You gotta give it so much and you get.....so fucking little in return. Yeah, that's a byproduct of management systems sold to restaurant owners over the last decade+.) Read more at straitstimes.com. and D.O. I resent studying the information now and can’t even bring myself to put in the effort I know is needed. After not matching twice, trying for 6 months to find a job, in the midst of Covid, somewhere in the healthcare field, I am really burned out. Rather than being a part of a big dysfunctional family somehow gathering the strength to make all the parts work together, it's more like factory work. A subreddit for doctors, residents, or medical students who have left or are considering leaving the field of clinical medicine. We need more nurses who give a damn! This MD is completely useless and the MPH is even more useless. However, if you have 3/4 completed , pls do not quit. "Oh sure, we can send this back and have it cooked well done for you.". Today is my last day of medical school. It was difficult and my experiments never yielded results. Hi! Any feedback is welcome, I figure this would probably be the best place for that. In retrospect, it was the beginning of the end. Before You Quit Nursing School – Do These Things . Her reasons for quitting are that she has to study all the time and her anxiety (already an issue before medical school) is at a constant peak. I managed to rebound from this and make it through the didactic year 1 and 2 of school, but I still struggled a lot and was in the bottom 5% of my class. Forget cutting people, I'm all about cutting dem taters, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the medicalschool community. To quote Dwayne Johnson: I need soldiers, give me soldiers, Also, especially if you don't apply for the match 4th year is honestly a breeze and at least at my school you could finish in half a year, cutting down significantly on coats. Accurate. He had hospitals praising his experience in restaurants because it is so similar to triage and taught the rare skills of constantly shifting priorities on the fly. He'd definitely be better off, even just financial ly basically doing the same amount of work. The CARES Act expanded these opportunities for Americans in … I was able to validate all my credits, take some more courses, complete a bachelor’s degree in biology, and then enter the master’s degree program in biochemistry. (Info / ^Contact). Smokers trying to kick the habit face odds that only a bookie could love—just one out of five succeeds in quitting. If so, then power to you. However, if you have 3/4 completed , pls do not quit. I dont think anyone actually understands what I am dealing with, heck I even tried therapy and it just looped endlessly about am I sure about my decision. I dont believe them when they say this and I feel they are completely missing the point of everything I said. I did fine in MD1 but this second year has been hellish (not to mention all classes are online). I already did all the paperwork and got accepted to a really good culinary institute but haven’t told them yet. Most bourgeois thing to be said. I’m a non trad in my mid 20s and gave up a good engineering career for this. He worked every holiday and 2 shifts a week to make rent and spending cash while in med school. Plus, it's FREE. My mental health during exam blocks is terrible and the idea of studying and taking STEP 1 is already making me anxious. But the OP should be aware that it's quickly disappearing, as in all employment in the USA, for strictly automated systems for every aspect of the job. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. It also instilled the work ethic that one cannot leave until the replacement shows up or all the work is done - being there is too vital. Now I have a job, love being an engineer and earn closer to $100K. It's getting up at 5 a.m. to prep for a mom's day brunch buffet...then changing coats to go hack prime rib in front of old people for 6 hours...smiling. I tried everything I know to find a job and have been screwed over by a head hunter, who has decided to stop responding to me (I didnt pay him, he would have been paid equivalent to my first month salary by the company), my thesis advisor has ghosted me, my academic advisor (where I graduated from with my MD and MPH <3 months ago) has decided to also ghost me. Another thing the OP might consider is that restaurants have changed. If you had a few month in med school and you decided to leave, good for you. Medical school is similar to premed undergraduate coursework in that it is science-focused, Young says, but the medical school curriculum more heavily emphasizes the science of … A couple months into school and I’m thinking of quitting. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit: [r/bestof] /u/swampthrowawaypgy69 explains in tough-love terms why finishing medical school might actually be the best thing for OP's burgeoning culinary career, [r/bestofnopolitics] /u/swampthrowawaypgy69 explains in tough-love terms why finishing medical school might actually be the best thing for OP's burgeoning culinary career [xpost from r/medicalschool], [r/kitchenconfidential] /u/swampthrowawaypgy69 explains that working in a kitchen is not necessarily easier than finishing med school, If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. Or, if they make it there and find themselves miserable, there are those who cannot afford to quit without insurmountable debt. There is little "life" left in that service industry. They'll teach you to cook alright. Anyway, rant over and thank you for reading. The customer is not even important as a person with choices, only complaints. Think about the last ten years of your life. As a medical student, quitting during the first term of first year would be the least damaging financially. When I was getting my masters, I would cry every night, because I hated doing thesis. On the other hand, I dont see myself fitting into anything in the healthcare field anymore. Today, it's little more than assembly line work, even at the high end restaurants. I know this is a HUGE decision. Medical school is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that requires me to choose school over the company when it comes to that decision. Your chief resident/sous chef wants to see you in the scrub room/on the dishwash sobbing anger tears, pushing through and succeeding. Thinking about organizing a remote Zoom meetup for r/QuittingMedicine and wanted to judge interest. Before you make a big decision like quitting medical school, do consider whether this may actually be symptomatic of more general low mood or anxiety. 20 years ago corporate attitudes took over restaurant management (the managers will check the number of times one visits a table and monitor what is said - notice how often waiters stop by in the first 15 minutes saying the same exact things then disappear never to be seen again? Cookies help us deliver our Services. It's fresh, well-sourced and easy to read. Listen . By Ewen Callaway. Once I got into medical school, I struggled a lot with exams and failed to the point where I needed to repeat my first year. Pass out at some point...if you are lucky on a Friday or Saturday you might score with some chick from the front of the house...wake up the next day for truck delivery. I haven't decided the structure/format exactly, but wanted to first gauge y'alls interest in meeting other people at various stages of quitting and what you would hope to get out of such a meetup. I'm not sure how much real experience do you have in the kitchens but the prevalent sentiment is that all the certificates and degrees and courses don't mean shit without real life experience. When I worked restaurants (and loved it, btw) there was a kid there applying for residencies. As my original 2016 post, '15 tips on what to do if you want to quit medicine', has been getting a spike in views, I've decided to update it - check out my latest advice on what to … This is because of the great commitment it takes to undergo the education and training needed for a medical career, as well as how difficult it is to get accepted to medical school at all. So by the grace of God, working with a professional coach and intentionally changing my practice, I’m still practicing but differently now. Medical school … It's fuckin' health inspectors, long hours, little pay, burns, cuts, bruises, angry customers, and exhaustion...and I miss the shit out of it. . I've met some most crazy, hard-working, 90-hours pushing monsters (lads and girls both) in the Theatre and in the Back of House. Until two months ago, I was a medical student. Press J to jump to the feed. I knew school would be tough, but I didn’t think I’d be miserable everyday. What I'm saying is that you will get much more respect in the kitchen with a completed MD as opposed to having given it up at three quarters of the way. God I hate the restaurant industry. Colleen McLellan works for a wonderful non-profit in New Orleans, Louisiana. Let me rephrase that. I know I have been asked what made you get into medicine in the first place and I dont remember why I did it anymore. You know how everyone low-key thinks that surgeons are workaholics that hate life and love cutting? It was in October this year that I decided to quit MBBS for astronomy — my lifelong passion. We love your CLICKS! I have so much respect for physicians who made it through but I don’t think I can take it too much longer. She practices capoeira, hosts a radio show, and almost never misses medical school. In contrast, deciding to leave during fourth year is an entirely different story. I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I guess I am wondering should I really keep doing medicine. . PremedFAQ.com is the top Q&A online site for growing numbers of pre-med students. My parents were very understanding, and it just happened that at the moment I was quitting medical school, the university in Lima introduced a master’s degree in biochemistry. The school has screwed me over once big time while in my second year by intentionally misleading me (thats a long story). I am glad I found this subreddit. I don’t entirely hate medical school, but I’m not die hard passionate about it either. Then after that is over you get to cleanup for the 160 people you just fed. No, I haven’t returned to a bubbleheaded first-year med student punch drunk on medical beneficence. we need more nurses. I've also thought about just quitting med school altogether, but am too afraid to take the plunge without any back-up plan. When I was getting my masters, I would cry every night, because I hated doing thesis. 1 The average applicant applies to 15 schools. I'd consider finishing just so that you've got a plan B for when you can no longer work a 16 hour shift without swallowing a bottle of Advil. all OP needs to do is read kitchen confidential, they put in surgeon hours for no money. I gotta get out! . Download full-text PDF. Depression and anxiety are endemic among medical students and doctors, and sometimes we are really bad at recognising it in ourselves. I promise things eventually get better. Is anything the same today … More on that last point: If you think about a normal study schedule, you’re taking the unscored AAMC MCAT a week before your exam. The chefs have no power to organize their tickets and meals, there is a corporate plan for that now. How do I tell my parents I no longer feel a passion for it and that I rather go to culinary school? Workers can collect unemployment benefits even after refusing work or quitting a job, if it's for "good cause." Faris R, Henein MY, Coats AJS. She also has to do these stupid presentations in front of her class that seem completely unnecessary and that tap into her anxiety further. Hope everyone else is doing well out there. Yuppp....don't even apply to a culinary school until you see what the real world of cooking is like. Honestly at this point, why would I even want to do medicine anymore knowing that these are the kinds of people I would have to deal with constantly. But before that, it was wild and electrifying work. I had quit medicine in my heart, but love doesn’t pay the bills. Lim Chun Chai is Duke-NUS Medical School's oldest ever first-year student. r/QuittingMedicine: A subreddit for doctors, residents, or medical students who have left or are considering leaving the field of clinical medicine. Slosh down some beers and some shots watching the waitresses count tips...knowing they make 4 times as much as you do and don't do shit. Med school hopefuls should also research the difference between M.D. Medical school is typically a long-term dream. Kim-Lien Nguyen, M.D., is a cardiologist and an assistant professor of medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA. Giving up on literally a decade of work and a lifelong dream is not a decision I would wish on anyone. … Medical school is not what I imagined and even the thought of being a physician doesn’t seem appealing anymore. By that time it is maybe 5 or 6 at night...You have been on your feet all damned day. How do I tell them? Rising second year med student here. If you leave a comment, please note your location (city/country) and stage of medical training in your response so I can figure out what the demographics would look like. I've been having some health problems this year and lifestyle is important to me; lower salary (within reason, given the cost of med school) is worth lower stress. I agree. And no, the chances of you becoming a lawyer without finishing law school are not good. You're in law school for a reason. Far from it. This is more of a rant than anything but I needed to get it off my chest. The views expressed are … Can you work the hole for 12 hours on a Saturday on 4 hours of sleep? My parents were very understanding, and it just happened that at the moment I was quitting medical school, the university in Lima introduced a master’s degree in biochemistry. Now, maybe you know all this and you actually have significant kitchen experience. Hey parents, I'm going to culinary school. They have many things in common and one of them is this: they despise giving up. I am completely willing to walk away and ask a family friend if I could work as a carpenter just to get away from medicine. Here’s why. I wish I could be happy but instead I am full of regret. This is followed by medical school and then a residency and/or fellowship period. Here are five reasons why you shouldn't quit law school: 1. . Get your food cooled within specified times, labeled, and into the walk-in. People generally don’t decide to become doctors on a whim. Leaving medicine immediately after medical school graduation with some vague plan of getting a $150K position at McKinsey is probably not the best idea either. Your life circumstances at enrollment may change as you progress through different levels of medical studies. . Welcome to /r/MedicalSchool: An international community for medical students. Many women have navigated medical school, residency, marriage, and pregnancy successfully, but it’s a path strife with challenges. One month is not enough time to study for the MCAT for most people. Once you finish high school, you’ll have four years of pre-med curriculum at a college or university. 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